romn romney. would they drop some of the medicaid programs, would you cover fewer people and say there will be less federal dollars going to it. those are the two fewer differences. >> interesting, mitt romney at times appears to be softening on obama-care and embracing his plan in massachusetts strongly and people are kind of confused about that. has his posture changed? shifted? what? >> that's fair. i've talked to governor romney about this in this past. interesting certainly one of the things he said about massachusetts in order to get universal health care done one of the benefits patients wouldn't have to go to the emergency room where it's the most expensive to get health care, you probably heard the other day, americans do have health care, they can go to an emergency room. that was clearly a bit of shift and tough one to explain. overall, think he's still -- if you ask him, he still believes people should get health care insurance. i think the strategy how he wants to get there is very di